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اولین متال در سال 1987 اومد...
الان هم فک میکنم که 20 سالی گذشته باشه...
بیستمین سالگرد تولدش مبارک.:cheesygri
الان هم فک میکنم که 20 سالی گذشته باشه...
بیستمین سالگرد تولدش مبارک.:cheesygri
یکی که زبونش خوبه اینو ترچمه کنه .
Kojima demos Metal Gear Solid 4
PlayStation event in Tokyo features first real-time demo of the eagerly awaited PlayStation 3 title.
By Hirohiko Niizumi, GameSpot
Posted Jul 17, 2007 5:20 pm PT
TOKYO--At Sony Computer Entertainment's PlayStation Premiere 2007 press conference in the massive Roppongi Hills complex today, most in attendance were expecting to see reruns of trailers shown at the E3 Media and Business Summit. So they were taken by surprise during Konami's presentation, when director Hideo Kojima gave the first-ever Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots gameplay demonstration.
"Where's my Social Security check?"
The demo, which lasted a full 20 minutes, began in the same unnamed Middle Eastern locale as previous MGS4 game trailers. Snake started out on the second floor of a ruined building. Looking down, he saw tons of rubble from the remnants of buildings obliterated by warfare. The landscape was particularly detailed, with walls broken into various shapes and surrounding buildings uniquely damaged. When Snake zoomed in on the walls using a scope named Solid Eye (after the 3D glasses from Metal Gear Acid 2), they showed a high level of detail with little or no pixelation up close.
While previous installments in the MGS series had Snake infiltrating areas that were guarded by a single superpower or army, the situation is vastly different in MGS4. The demo shows two different factions--professional PMC (Private Military Company) mercenaries, and civilian guerrillas, who were losing because they were less experienced. The demo started out quietly, with both sides just patrolling. By the end, though, there were explosions all over the place.
During the demo, Kojima had Snake side with the civilian army to help take out the PMC soldiers. Given that the PMC soldiers were wearing beige camouflage, it was difficult to spot them in the sandy fields and grayish walls. Kojima had Snake switch to thermal goggles to detect them, and then return to the normal scope to zoom in.
Hopping down the building from where Snake started, the aged soldier approached a set of familiar bronze statues last seen in the Tokyo Game Show trailer. Here, Kojima went to the menu screen and selected the active camouflage option, where players can access disguises for Snake's face and body. Snake normally wears an all-purpose "Octo-Cam" camouflage suit, which lets him blend into his surroundings. However, apparently there are other selectable camouflage patterns in the game, one of which is called the "Statue-Cam." Kojima selected the Statue-Cam and an appropriate face mask, and--voila!--Snake's camouflage suit displayed a bronze finish. The PMC soldiers then walked by, mistaking the grizzled commando for a statue.
Kojima then showed off how the Octo-Cam camouflage will help Snake blend into his surroundings--semiautomatically. Whenever Snake performs an action, like hugging a wall or hitting the floor, the suit automatically changes its pattern to match that of the surface Snake is touching. Kojima demonstrated this action by having Snake evade a PMC soldier by lying in wait on the ground and blending in with the tiles of a nearby building. Snake then stood up and dashed to the shadows by a wall, waiting for the soldier to walk past. Then, he took the soldier from behind by using close-quarter combat, which made the soldier drop his gun--a new element in MGS4. Snake finally wrestled the soldier down, choking him until he was knocked out.
Kojima revealed that Snake can take his enemy's weapons in MGS4, and CQC isn't the only way to get them--holdups can also be effective. When Snake put a gun against an unaware soldier, the grunt raised both of his hands in the air, dropping his weapon to the ground and shivering. The holdup in MGS4 looks a lot more realistic than in the previous games. While keeping his gun pointed at the enemy, Snake used his other hand to frisk for items all over the soldier's body. He also seems to have gained a new move that involves delivering a death grip to an enemy's crotch, rendering that person unconscious in an instant.
After taking out two soldiers (one through CQC and the other by holdup and grabbing his nether regions), Snake spotted a huge hole in the wall that was big enough for him to fit though. However, he then noticed PMC soldiers in other abandoned buildings that could easily spot Snake and shoot him down. Kojima had Snake switch to his Mosin Nagant stun rifle to take them out. This was done by way of the same sniper view the rifle had in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater.
Snake then made his way down the building onto the ground and took out another PMC soldier, this time using a stun knife that can discharge electricity. Kojima showed how the knife can be used to just zap the enemy and knock them unconscious, though it can also be used for fatal slashing as well.
Seeing that yet another PMC soldier was nearby, Kojima showed off Snake's new prop--the oil barrel. The oil barrel in MGS4 has as much a camouflage effect as the series' traditional cardboard box, except it's a bit more resistant to bullet shots because it's made of metal. Unfortunately, it didn't seem as stealthy, because we heard Snake's knees banging into it as he walked. Kojima showed that the barrel could also be an effective weapon when Snake rolls on the ground inside it, attacking any soldiers in his path. Naturally, though, Snake was dizzy once he got back up, and we saw him throwing up.
Kojima went on to confirm that gamers would be able to play through the whole game in a first-person view, and showed how the Sixaxis' motion-sensing can be used to duck and peek around corners.
Snake then went into a nearby building and talked to his friend Otacon via his Metal Gear MKII robot, re-creating part of the first MGS4 trailer. Eventually a battle between PMC and guerrilla forces erupted outdoors. The PMC soldiers were obviously getting the upper hand, as they had more firepower and cutting-edge technology on their side, including flying biomechanical creatures that would drop bombs.
To help fight off one of the PMC soldiers, Kojima showed Snake's new best friend, the Metal Gear MKII. By selecting MKII from the item inventory, the player can take control of it and move around in either first- or third-person view. (Snake is seen crouching on the ground with his hands on the MKII's remote controller--which is an exact replica of a Sixaxis gamepad.) And while the stealthy MKII may seem small and harmless, it can knock out enemies with a powerful knock of electricity.
Turning back to Snake, Kojima showed that the protagonist can throw grenades backward like in the previous trailer. The grenade's trajectory is shown onscreen, Gears of War-style, as Snake is preparing to throw his grenade.
As the demo neared its end, Kojima showed off some more weapons that can be used in Guns of the Patriots. He used an RPG-7 to explode a tank, an AK-102 rifle to shoot some enemies on the roof, and a P90 to take out remaining soldiers on the ground.
Kojima pointed out that while he had been attacking PMC soldiers and helping out the civilian guerrillas in the demo, it's really up to the player to decide which side to be on--or to not side with either of them.
Overall, Guns of the Patriots defaults to the same kind of third-person view as previous MGS installments. The basic interface has been kept intact as well, with the item itinerary on the bottom left side of the screen and the weapons itinerary on the bottom right.
One addition to the heads-up display that wasn't in previous installments was a semitransparent, illustrated icon on the bottom of the screen that appeared whenever Snake was near an object that he could interact with, such as a wall, an unconscious enemy, or a ledge. Another such object was a dumpster in an alley, which Snake hid in until enemy soldiers cleared out. But since it's full of garbage, Kojima noted that Snake would start to smell if he stayed inside the dumpster too long, making himself more obvious to enemies. As he came out of hiding, Snake was surrounded by a swarm of buzzing flies, though shaking the Sixaxis controller seemed to swat them away.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175206.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;1
Kojima demos Metal Gear Solid 4
PlayStation event in Tokyo features first real-time demo of the eagerly awaited PlayStation 3 title.
By Hirohiko Niizumi, GameSpot
Posted Jul 17, 2007 5:20 pm PT
TOKYO--At Sony Computer Entertainment's PlayStation Premiere 2007 press conference in the massive Roppongi Hills complex today, most in attendance were expecting to see reruns of trailers shown at the E3 Media and Business Summit. So they were taken by surprise during Konami's presentation, when director Hideo Kojima gave the first-ever Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots gameplay demonstration.
"Where's my Social Security check?"
The demo, which lasted a full 20 minutes, began in the same unnamed Middle Eastern locale as previous MGS4 game trailers. Snake started out on the second floor of a ruined building. Looking down, he saw tons of rubble from the remnants of buildings obliterated by warfare. The landscape was particularly detailed, with walls broken into various shapes and surrounding buildings uniquely damaged. When Snake zoomed in on the walls using a scope named Solid Eye (after the 3D glasses from Metal Gear Acid 2), they showed a high level of detail with little or no pixelation up close.
While previous installments in the MGS series had Snake infiltrating areas that were guarded by a single superpower or army, the situation is vastly different in MGS4. The demo shows two different factions--professional PMC (Private Military Company) mercenaries, and civilian guerrillas, who were losing because they were less experienced. The demo started out quietly, with both sides just patrolling. By the end, though, there were explosions all over the place.
During the demo, Kojima had Snake side with the civilian army to help take out the PMC soldiers. Given that the PMC soldiers were wearing beige camouflage, it was difficult to spot them in the sandy fields and grayish walls. Kojima had Snake switch to thermal goggles to detect them, and then return to the normal scope to zoom in.
Hopping down the building from where Snake started, the aged soldier approached a set of familiar bronze statues last seen in the Tokyo Game Show trailer. Here, Kojima went to the menu screen and selected the active camouflage option, where players can access disguises for Snake's face and body. Snake normally wears an all-purpose "Octo-Cam" camouflage suit, which lets him blend into his surroundings. However, apparently there are other selectable camouflage patterns in the game, one of which is called the "Statue-Cam." Kojima selected the Statue-Cam and an appropriate face mask, and--voila!--Snake's camouflage suit displayed a bronze finish. The PMC soldiers then walked by, mistaking the grizzled commando for a statue.
Kojima then showed off how the Octo-Cam camouflage will help Snake blend into his surroundings--semiautomatically. Whenever Snake performs an action, like hugging a wall or hitting the floor, the suit automatically changes its pattern to match that of the surface Snake is touching. Kojima demonstrated this action by having Snake evade a PMC soldier by lying in wait on the ground and blending in with the tiles of a nearby building. Snake then stood up and dashed to the shadows by a wall, waiting for the soldier to walk past. Then, he took the soldier from behind by using close-quarter combat, which made the soldier drop his gun--a new element in MGS4. Snake finally wrestled the soldier down, choking him until he was knocked out.
Kojima revealed that Snake can take his enemy's weapons in MGS4, and CQC isn't the only way to get them--holdups can also be effective. When Snake put a gun against an unaware soldier, the grunt raised both of his hands in the air, dropping his weapon to the ground and shivering. The holdup in MGS4 looks a lot more realistic than in the previous games. While keeping his gun pointed at the enemy, Snake used his other hand to frisk for items all over the soldier's body. He also seems to have gained a new move that involves delivering a death grip to an enemy's crotch, rendering that person unconscious in an instant.
After taking out two soldiers (one through CQC and the other by holdup and grabbing his nether regions), Snake spotted a huge hole in the wall that was big enough for him to fit though. However, he then noticed PMC soldiers in other abandoned buildings that could easily spot Snake and shoot him down. Kojima had Snake switch to his Mosin Nagant stun rifle to take them out. This was done by way of the same sniper view the rifle had in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater.
Snake then made his way down the building onto the ground and took out another PMC soldier, this time using a stun knife that can discharge electricity. Kojima showed how the knife can be used to just zap the enemy and knock them unconscious, though it can also be used for fatal slashing as well.
Seeing that yet another PMC soldier was nearby, Kojima showed off Snake's new prop--the oil barrel. The oil barrel in MGS4 has as much a camouflage effect as the series' traditional cardboard box, except it's a bit more resistant to bullet shots because it's made of metal. Unfortunately, it didn't seem as stealthy, because we heard Snake's knees banging into it as he walked. Kojima showed that the barrel could also be an effective weapon when Snake rolls on the ground inside it, attacking any soldiers in his path. Naturally, though, Snake was dizzy once he got back up, and we saw him throwing up.
Kojima went on to confirm that gamers would be able to play through the whole game in a first-person view, and showed how the Sixaxis' motion-sensing can be used to duck and peek around corners.
Snake then went into a nearby building and talked to his friend Otacon via his Metal Gear MKII robot, re-creating part of the first MGS4 trailer. Eventually a battle between PMC and guerrilla forces erupted outdoors. The PMC soldiers were obviously getting the upper hand, as they had more firepower and cutting-edge technology on their side, including flying biomechanical creatures that would drop bombs.
To help fight off one of the PMC soldiers, Kojima showed Snake's new best friend, the Metal Gear MKII. By selecting MKII from the item inventory, the player can take control of it and move around in either first- or third-person view. (Snake is seen crouching on the ground with his hands on the MKII's remote controller--which is an exact replica of a Sixaxis gamepad.) And while the stealthy MKII may seem small and harmless, it can knock out enemies with a powerful knock of electricity.
Turning back to Snake, Kojima showed that the protagonist can throw grenades backward like in the previous trailer. The grenade's trajectory is shown onscreen, Gears of War-style, as Snake is preparing to throw his grenade.
As the demo neared its end, Kojima showed off some more weapons that can be used in Guns of the Patriots. He used an RPG-7 to explode a tank, an AK-102 rifle to shoot some enemies on the roof, and a P90 to take out remaining soldiers on the ground.
Kojima pointed out that while he had been attacking PMC soldiers and helping out the civilian guerrillas in the demo, it's really up to the player to decide which side to be on--or to not side with either of them.
Overall, Guns of the Patriots defaults to the same kind of third-person view as previous MGS installments. The basic interface has been kept intact as well, with the item itinerary on the bottom left side of the screen and the weapons itinerary on the bottom right.
One addition to the heads-up display that wasn't in previous installments was a semitransparent, illustrated icon on the bottom of the screen that appeared whenever Snake was near an object that he could interact with, such as a wall, an unconscious enemy, or a ledge. Another such object was a dumpster in an alley, which Snake hid in until enemy soldiers cleared out. But since it's full of garbage, Kojima noted that Snake would start to smell if he stayed inside the dumpster too long, making himself more obvious to enemies. As he came out of hiding, Snake was surrounded by a swarm of buzzing flies, though shaking the Sixaxis controller seemed to swat them away.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175206.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;1
در دموي اول و دوم كه كاملاً لوكيشن مشخص بود كه mid-east ـه اولي يك منطقه مسلمان نشين بود دومي من ترديدي ندارم كه اورشليم بود، دلايلم رو هم قبلاً گفتم كه اين منطقه همه جور تمدني رو بخودش ديده و آثارش مثل اون مجسمه ها كه آخر دمو بود كاملاً متود اروپائي بود.
تو اين دمو هم طبق نظر دوستان در TUS بخاطر رويت روفهاي قرمز (red roofs) و علئم لاتين روي در و ديوار و همچنين يك علامت راهنمايي كه يك E هست داخل يك دايره قرمز به همراه يك خط كج كه معادل تابلوئي به همين مشخصات منتها با حرف P وسط اون هست كه همون تابلو پارك ممنوعه خودمونه و در كشورهايي كه مثل اينكه زبانشون نميدونم پرتغالي و اسپانيولي هست مورد استفاده داره و اون خانه ها به سقف هاي قرمز به وفور تو بوليوي موجود هست. اينا بيشترش حدسيات بچه هاي TUS هست.
راستش اجازه ندادن كسي اين ويدئو ها رو پخش كنه، 24 جولاي ميتونيم در 20 امين سالگرد MGS4 خيلي چيزا ببينيم. guarandamnteed ...
نظر من در مورد زنده شدنهای مکرر Vamp ترکیب شیمیایی آّب هستش...
وقتی که Raiden به Fortune شلیک میکنه و تیر بجای اون به Vamp میخوره میبینیم که Vamp یا میمیره یا بیهوش میشه و به زمین میخوره...
ولی درست بعد از لحظه ایی که اشک Fortune روی بدن Vamp میفته , اون دوباره زنده میشه...حتی دوربین بازی روی اشک Fortune زوم میکنه تا به ما نشون بده که درست بعد از افتادن اشک Fortune , ومپ هم دوباره زنده میشه...
در قسمتی دیگه که یک Boss Fight بود و Raiden باید با Vamp میجنگید , بعد از شکست دادن Vamp , وی درون مایعی میفته که آب نیست ولی مطمئنا مقداری اب بصورت محلول درش هست...و بعد میبینیم که ومپ زنده است...
در قسمت آخر وقتی که Vamp شخصیت Emma رو گروگان گرفته , بعد از شلیک Raiden بهش میبینیم که داخل آب دریا میفته...و بعد از آن در انتهای بازی وقتی که Rose و Raiden در حال صحبت با هم هستند میبینیم که Vamp از دور به آنها نگاه میکند یعنی که Vamp هنوز زنده است...
پس ممکنه بتونیم بگیم که آب , عامل اصلی دوباره بلند کردن یا بهوش آوردن Vamp میتونه باشه...
راستی همونطور که خودتون هم میدونین علت اینکه به این شخصیت Vamp میگن بخاطر Vampire بودنش نیست (هر چند که وی فردی خون آشام است) بلکه بخاطر این هست که وی فردی Bi***ual هست (خب ! ف-ی-ل-ت-ر شد رفت پی کارش ! اشکال نداره ! خودتون میدونین که کلمه اش چیه !) یعنی هم به جنس مذکر علاقه ی جنسی دارد و هم به جنس مونث...
Pliskin : Vamp is a member of Dead Cell. Born in Romania, his specialty is
knives. But I guess you know that by now. When he was just a kid,
he lost his family to a terrorist bomb that went off in a church
they were attending. His body pierced by a crucifix, Vamp was
buried under the rubble for two days before he was finally
rescued. During those two days, he survived by feeding on the
blood of his family to quench his thirst. That was how he
acquired a taste for blood...
Raiden : So that's why they call him "Vamp"...
Pliskin : No. "Vamp" isn't for vampire. It's because he's bi***ual...
Raiden : ...
Pliskin : Rumor has it Vamp was the lover of Scott Dolph, the Marine
Commandant who accidentally died two years ago. Scott Dolph was
also the father of Fortune, the Dead Cell leader.
Raiden : Fortune's old man? But Fortune and Vamp...
Pliskin : You noticed, eh? Not bad for a rookie...
Raiden : Uh... right.
Pliskin : As you say, Vamp and Fortune are very close. Not lovers, but very
close...
Raiden : Friends?
Pliskin : No. There's more to their relationship than that.
Raiden : But Vamp was her father's lover!
Pliskin : Would it have been better if it was with her mother? I don't
really think they care what you think. Focus on the mission.
Raiden : By the way, have you ever met the guy before?
Pliskin : No...
Raiden : But he seemed to know you...
Pliskin : Right. Well, I... no... ...it can't be... I told you that Dead
Cell is a group of madmen... I wouldn't take anything they say
very seriously.
شاید علت اینکه Vamp اینطوری ضدضربه شده و این قابلیتهای زیاد رو داره به این مربوط باشه که در طول دو روزی که زیر آوار مونده بود و از خون والدینش خودشو سیراب ! میکرد , یک صلیب در بدنش فرورفته بوده (از همین مزخرفات دیگه ! جادو جنبل و این چیزا !) البته باید گفت که این فقط یه نظریه است !
متشکرم...Nemesis
وقتی که Raiden به Fortune شلیک میکنه و تیر بجای اون به Vamp میخوره میبینیم که Vamp یا میمیره یا بیهوش میشه و به زمین میخوره...
ولی درست بعد از لحظه ایی که اشک Fortune روی بدن Vamp میفته , اون دوباره زنده میشه...حتی دوربین بازی روی اشک Fortune زوم میکنه تا به ما نشون بده که درست بعد از افتادن اشک Fortune , ومپ هم دوباره زنده میشه...
در قسمتی دیگه که یک Boss Fight بود و Raiden باید با Vamp میجنگید , بعد از شکست دادن Vamp , وی درون مایعی میفته که آب نیست ولی مطمئنا مقداری اب بصورت محلول درش هست...و بعد میبینیم که ومپ زنده است...
در قسمت آخر وقتی که Vamp شخصیت Emma رو گروگان گرفته , بعد از شلیک Raiden بهش میبینیم که داخل آب دریا میفته...و بعد از آن در انتهای بازی وقتی که Rose و Raiden در حال صحبت با هم هستند میبینیم که Vamp از دور به آنها نگاه میکند یعنی که Vamp هنوز زنده است...
پس ممکنه بتونیم بگیم که آب , عامل اصلی دوباره بلند کردن یا بهوش آوردن Vamp میتونه باشه...
راستی همونطور که خودتون هم میدونین علت اینکه به این شخصیت Vamp میگن بخاطر Vampire بودنش نیست (هر چند که وی فردی خون آشام است) بلکه بخاطر این هست که وی فردی Bi***ual هست (خب ! ف-ی-ل-ت-ر شد رفت پی کارش ! اشکال نداره ! خودتون میدونین که کلمه اش چیه !) یعنی هم به جنس مذکر علاقه ی جنسی دارد و هم به جنس مونث...
Pliskin : Vamp is a member of Dead Cell. Born in Romania, his specialty is
knives. But I guess you know that by now. When he was just a kid,
he lost his family to a terrorist bomb that went off in a church
they were attending. His body pierced by a crucifix, Vamp was
buried under the rubble for two days before he was finally
rescued. During those two days, he survived by feeding on the
blood of his family to quench his thirst. That was how he
acquired a taste for blood...
Raiden : So that's why they call him "Vamp"...
Pliskin : No. "Vamp" isn't for vampire. It's because he's bi***ual...
Raiden : ...
Pliskin : Rumor has it Vamp was the lover of Scott Dolph, the Marine
Commandant who accidentally died two years ago. Scott Dolph was
also the father of Fortune, the Dead Cell leader.
Raiden : Fortune's old man? But Fortune and Vamp...
Pliskin : You noticed, eh? Not bad for a rookie...
Raiden : Uh... right.
Pliskin : As you say, Vamp and Fortune are very close. Not lovers, but very
close...
Raiden : Friends?
Pliskin : No. There's more to their relationship than that.
Raiden : But Vamp was her father's lover!
Pliskin : Would it have been better if it was with her mother? I don't
really think they care what you think. Focus on the mission.
Raiden : By the way, have you ever met the guy before?
Pliskin : No...
Raiden : But he seemed to know you...
Pliskin : Right. Well, I... no... ...it can't be... I told you that Dead
Cell is a group of madmen... I wouldn't take anything they say
very seriously.
شاید علت اینکه Vamp اینطوری ضدضربه شده و این قابلیتهای زیاد رو داره به این مربوط باشه که در طول دو روزی که زیر آوار مونده بود و از خون والدینش خودشو سیراب ! میکرد , یک صلیب در بدنش فرورفته بوده (از همین مزخرفات دیگه ! جادو جنبل و این چیزا !) البته باید گفت که این فقط یه نظریه است !
متشکرم...Nemesis
آخرین ویرایش:
من به یه نظری در مورد چگونگی کشته شدن Vamp رسیدم...
اگه فرضیه ایی رو که در بالا نوشتم قبول کنیم (فقط در صورت قبول کردن اون فرضیه) میتونیم بگیم که آب یک Ally , و متحد برای Vamp محسوب میشه...
در دموی E3 2007 میبینیم که Vamp چند بار توسط یک تیغه ی معمولی تنش سوراخ سوراخ میشه ولی حتی آخش در نمیاد...در حالیکه بعد از فرورفتن شمشیر Raiden در بدنش صدای آه و اوهش در میاد...
من اینو قبول ندارم که چون شمشیر از درون بدن Raiden رد شده و ممکنه آغشته به ماده ایی شده باشه , Vamp یکهو دردش میگیره...
اگر قبول داریم که Raiden به یک Cyborg تبدیل شده پس باید این رو هم قبول کنیم که توی بدن Cyborg ها بیشتر سیم و چیپ و قطعه های الکتریکی هستش (Robocop رو که یادتون هست ؟)...
اگه توجه کرده باشین میبینین که شمشیر از شدت داغی گداخته و قرمز شده بود و وقتی که به درون بدن Vamp میره پوستشو میسوزونه طوری که طاقتش سلب میشه...
من علت این رو فقط در یک چیز میدونم : آتش و گرما
اگر قبول کنیم که آب دوست Vamp حساب میشه (میتونین قبول هم نکنین !) پس به احتمال زیاد آتش هم دشمن اون محسوب خواهد شد...و به همین خاطره که بعد از فرو رفتن شمشیر Raiden برای اولین بار در شکمش شاهد این هستیم که داره درد میکشه...
پس ممکنه بتونیم بگیم که یکی از راهای کشتن Vamp اینه که یه طوری اونو توی آتیش بندازیم یا آتیشش بزنیم یا روش نفت بریزیم بعد آتیشش بزنیم یا از دور بهش بمب ناپالم بزنیم یا....دیگه چیزی به فکرم نمیرسه !
البته موضوع قابل بحث دیگه میتونه خود شمشیر باشه...شاید ماده ی خاصی درش استفاده شده و به همین خاطر ممکنه بتونه به Vamp صدمه بزنه...
خب ! اینها فقط نظرات بی استفاده و مزخرف من بود ! چرا بقیه نظراتی نمیدن...مخالفتی ؟ موافقتی ؟ چیزی !
متشکرم...Nemesis
اگه فرضیه ایی رو که در بالا نوشتم قبول کنیم (فقط در صورت قبول کردن اون فرضیه) میتونیم بگیم که آب یک Ally , و متحد برای Vamp محسوب میشه...
در دموی E3 2007 میبینیم که Vamp چند بار توسط یک تیغه ی معمولی تنش سوراخ سوراخ میشه ولی حتی آخش در نمیاد...در حالیکه بعد از فرورفتن شمشیر Raiden در بدنش صدای آه و اوهش در میاد...
من اینو قبول ندارم که چون شمشیر از درون بدن Raiden رد شده و ممکنه آغشته به ماده ایی شده باشه , Vamp یکهو دردش میگیره...
اگر قبول داریم که Raiden به یک Cyborg تبدیل شده پس باید این رو هم قبول کنیم که توی بدن Cyborg ها بیشتر سیم و چیپ و قطعه های الکتریکی هستش (Robocop رو که یادتون هست ؟)...
اگه توجه کرده باشین میبینین که شمشیر از شدت داغی گداخته و قرمز شده بود و وقتی که به درون بدن Vamp میره پوستشو میسوزونه طوری که طاقتش سلب میشه...
من علت این رو فقط در یک چیز میدونم : آتش و گرما
اگر قبول کنیم که آب دوست Vamp حساب میشه (میتونین قبول هم نکنین !) پس به احتمال زیاد آتش هم دشمن اون محسوب خواهد شد...و به همین خاطره که بعد از فرو رفتن شمشیر Raiden برای اولین بار در شکمش شاهد این هستیم که داره درد میکشه...
پس ممکنه بتونیم بگیم که یکی از راهای کشتن Vamp اینه که یه طوری اونو توی آتیش بندازیم یا آتیشش بزنیم یا روش نفت بریزیم بعد آتیشش بزنیم یا از دور بهش بمب ناپالم بزنیم یا....دیگه چیزی به فکرم نمیرسه !
البته موضوع قابل بحث دیگه میتونه خود شمشیر باشه...شاید ماده ی خاصی درش استفاده شده و به همین خاطر ممکنه بتونه به Vamp صدمه بزنه...
خب ! اینها فقط نظرات بی استفاده و مزخرف من بود ! چرا بقیه نظراتی نمیدن...مخالفتی ؟ موافقتی ؟ چیزی !
متشکرم...Nemesis
من با گفته های قبلی شما تقریبا موافقم ولی این که خود شمشیر چیز خاصی داشته باشه نه
چون رایدن شمشیرو میکنه تو شکم خودش و شمشیر میره تو شکم ومپ اونوقت ومپ دردش میگیره ولی وقتی شمشیر از شکمشون در میاد رایدن دوباره اونو میکنه تو شکم ومپ ولی ومپ با نهایت خوشحالی برمیگرده شروع میکنه به حرف زدن (مثلا شمشیر تو شکمشه ها)
یک نظریه جدید!!!!!!!!!!!!
همه ما در شماره 2 متال گیر سولید دیدیم که بازی در دو قسمت انجام شد!!!!!!!!
اولین قسمت در کشتی و دومین قسمت هم داخل شل ها!!!!!!!!!
خوب اگر قرار باشه که بازی در قسمتهایی از خاور میانه انجام بشه, میشه به این نتیجه رسید که چی؟؟؟؟
آقا این شماره هم به همون صورته یعنی مکان اول که در آخرین دمو دیده شد و مثل متال گیر سولید2 جناب لیکویید آسلات دقیقآ مثل شماره دو متال گیر هارو میدزده!!!!!!!!
و وقتی در این شماره هم متال گیر ها رو دزدید به یکی از شهر های خاور میانه میاد و پایگاه خودش رو چی ؟؟؟؟؟؟ میسازه!!!!!!
من فکر کنم این نظریه قابل قبولی باشه!!!!!
درضمن در مورد این که ومپ از حرارت و گرمای شمشیر دردش گرفته باشه!!!!!!!!!!
نمیدونم آخه بعضی ها میگن شمشیر از داغی سرخ شده بود!!!!!!
والله ما که کیفیت پایین این تریلر رو دیدیم!!! ندیدم که شمشیر از داغی سرخ بشه!!!!!!
در ضمن اگر هم بگیم که ومپ از گرمای شمشیر دردش گرفته دو تا مسئله هست که هم حرف منو درمورد داغ نبودن شمشیر رد میکنه و هم حرف نمسیس عزیز را !!!!!
یعنی چی؟؟؟
یعنی اینکه واقعآ شمشیر داغ میشه دوم این که جناب ومپ از گرمای شمشیر ککشون هم نمیگزه!!!!!!
خوب اول از همه توجه شما رو به یک مسئله دیگه جلب میکنم که پیش زمینه مسئله قبلی هستش!!!!
تا حالا به پاهای ومپ دقت کردین؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
منظورم از زانو به پایینه!!!! مخصوصآ مچ به پایین.
پاهاش انگاز پنجه داره شبیه کفش هم نیست!!!!!!
خوب حالا مسئله اصلی!!!
در حین مبارزه ومپ و رایدن اون سکانسی که ومپ شمشیر رایدن را پاش دفع میکنه و شمشیرو میبره زیر پاش و از روش میدوه و میره پشت رایدن!!!!!!!
به این عکس دقت کنید دقیقآ این صحنه رو میگم!!!!!!!
خوب و با دقت نگاه کنید و مخصوصآ گوش کنید!!!!!!
وقتی ومپ پاشو میزاره روی شمشیر,دقیقآ صدای جیلیز ویلیزه سوختن میاد!!!!!!!!!!!!!
وعین خیالش هم نیست!!!!!! در واقع توی این صحنه پاهای ومپ یه خورده میسوزه (به خاطر صدا که این امر رو دقیقآ مشخص میکنه) و ومپ هم هیچ دردش نمیاد!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
باز هم Nemesis جان تو ضیحات خوبی داده بودی ممنون.
یه چیز خیلی مهم و جالب دیگه, این قسمت از تریلر (بخش اول تریلر)که اسنیک و آسلات و بقیه رو نشون داد توی این تریلر 3 دقیه بود!!!!!!!
میدونید در واقع این تریلر اصلش چند دقیقه هستش؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
اگر خواستید عکسهایی از یک دیالوگ که توسط آسلات توی همین تریلر گفته میشه اما نمایش داده نشده هست رو براتون میزارم!!!!!!!!!!!!این رو هم بگم که از جای خاصی نیاوردم یا مثلآ خود کوجیما بهم داده باشه!!! نه
اگر تریلر های قدیمیتون رو یک بار دیگه نگاه کنید و تصاویر رو کنار هم بزارین, بعضی از تصاویر تریلر های قدیمی با این تریلر جدید مچ میشن!!!!!!!
درضمن این تریلری که ما توی 3 دقیقه دیدیم فکر کنم حدود 10 دقیقه ای بشه!!!!
آقا یک مسئله واقعآ مسخره!!!!!!!! چرا وقتی رایدن پاهای این متال گیر هارو قطع میکنه این مادر مرده ها دیگه تکون نمیخورن؟؟ یا به قول خودشون میمیرن؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
بابا آخه سرتون رو که نبریدن!!!! پاهاتون رو بریدن!!!!! با اون همه تشکیلاتی که این جونورها دارن بدون پا هم باید بتونن یه کاری بکنن!!!!!!!!!
اگر این جوری باشه پس بزرگ ترین نقطه ضعف این متال گیر ها پاهاشونه؟؟؟!!!!!!!!!!!!!
همه ما در شماره 2 متال گیر سولید دیدیم که بازی در دو قسمت انجام شد!!!!!!!!
اولین قسمت در کشتی و دومین قسمت هم داخل شل ها!!!!!!!!!
خوب اگر قرار باشه که بازی در قسمتهایی از خاور میانه انجام بشه, میشه به این نتیجه رسید که چی؟؟؟؟
آقا این شماره هم به همون صورته یعنی مکان اول که در آخرین دمو دیده شد و مثل متال گیر سولید2 جناب لیکویید آسلات دقیقآ مثل شماره دو متال گیر هارو میدزده!!!!!!!!
و وقتی در این شماره هم متال گیر ها رو دزدید به یکی از شهر های خاور میانه میاد و پایگاه خودش رو چی ؟؟؟؟؟؟ میسازه!!!!!!
من فکر کنم این نظریه قابل قبولی باشه!!!!!
درضمن در مورد این که ومپ از حرارت و گرمای شمشیر دردش گرفته باشه!!!!!!!!!!
نمیدونم آخه بعضی ها میگن شمشیر از داغی سرخ شده بود!!!!!!
والله ما که کیفیت پایین این تریلر رو دیدیم!!! ندیدم که شمشیر از داغی سرخ بشه!!!!!!
در ضمن اگر هم بگیم که ومپ از گرمای شمشیر دردش گرفته دو تا مسئله هست که هم حرف منو درمورد داغ نبودن شمشیر رد میکنه و هم حرف نمسیس عزیز را !!!!!
یعنی چی؟؟؟
یعنی اینکه واقعآ شمشیر داغ میشه دوم این که جناب ومپ از گرمای شمشیر ککشون هم نمیگزه!!!!!!
خوب اول از همه توجه شما رو به یک مسئله دیگه جلب میکنم که پیش زمینه مسئله قبلی هستش!!!!
تا حالا به پاهای ومپ دقت کردین؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
منظورم از زانو به پایینه!!!! مخصوصآ مچ به پایین.
پاهاش انگاز پنجه داره شبیه کفش هم نیست!!!!!!
خوب حالا مسئله اصلی!!!
در حین مبارزه ومپ و رایدن اون سکانسی که ومپ شمشیر رایدن را پاش دفع میکنه و شمشیرو میبره زیر پاش و از روش میدوه و میره پشت رایدن!!!!!!!
به این عکس دقت کنید دقیقآ این صحنه رو میگم!!!!!!!
خوب و با دقت نگاه کنید و مخصوصآ گوش کنید!!!!!!
وقتی ومپ پاشو میزاره روی شمشیر,دقیقآ صدای جیلیز ویلیزه سوختن میاد!!!!!!!!!!!!!
وعین خیالش هم نیست!!!!!! در واقع توی این صحنه پاهای ومپ یه خورده میسوزه (به خاطر صدا که این امر رو دقیقآ مشخص میکنه) و ومپ هم هیچ دردش نمیاد!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
باز هم Nemesis جان تو ضیحات خوبی داده بودی ممنون.
یه چیز خیلی مهم و جالب دیگه, این قسمت از تریلر (بخش اول تریلر)که اسنیک و آسلات و بقیه رو نشون داد توی این تریلر 3 دقیه بود!!!!!!!
میدونید در واقع این تریلر اصلش چند دقیقه هستش؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
اگر خواستید عکسهایی از یک دیالوگ که توسط آسلات توی همین تریلر گفته میشه اما نمایش داده نشده هست رو براتون میزارم!!!!!!!!!!!!این رو هم بگم که از جای خاصی نیاوردم یا مثلآ خود کوجیما بهم داده باشه!!! نه
اگر تریلر های قدیمیتون رو یک بار دیگه نگاه کنید و تصاویر رو کنار هم بزارین, بعضی از تصاویر تریلر های قدیمی با این تریلر جدید مچ میشن!!!!!!!
درضمن این تریلری که ما توی 3 دقیقه دیدیم فکر کنم حدود 10 دقیقه ای بشه!!!!
آقا یک مسئله واقعآ مسخره!!!!!!!! چرا وقتی رایدن پاهای این متال گیر هارو قطع میکنه این مادر مرده ها دیگه تکون نمیخورن؟؟ یا به قول خودشون میمیرن؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
بابا آخه سرتون رو که نبریدن!!!! پاهاتون رو بریدن!!!!! با اون همه تشکیلاتی که این جونورها دارن بدون پا هم باید بتونن یه کاری بکنن!!!!!!!!!
اگر این جوری باشه پس بزرگ ترین نقطه ضعف این متال گیر ها پاهاشونه؟؟؟!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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